An EV battery just the right size and cost for buses

Hi, I am Lembit Salasoo, principal investigator on the FTA Hybrid Transit Bus project. We just reported a big technology milestone on our project, demonstrating a dual battery system on board a transit bus that could be the ideal solution for buses, delivery trucks and other heavy-duty vehicles to go electric. With more than 840,000 buses on the road in the U.S. alone today, just imagine the impact we could have on reducing our carbon footprint with an electrified fleet.

Why a dual battery system, you ask? Many different battery types exist and most come with a trade-off between power and energy storage capacity. For example, lithium batteries deliver high power, but are less optimized to store large amounts of energy. Sodium batteries, however, can store lots of energy, but are less optimized to deliver high power.

Each type of battery, by itself, focuses on one of the two principal needs for electric vehicles – power and driving range. The beauty of our dual system is that it combines the two to address both needs in the most optimal way. A computerized energy management system splits up the vehicle’s power needs between the two batteries with GE’s proprietary technology.

We believe our dual system could address the two principal challenges preventing the more widespread adoption of electric vehicles today – the size and cost of the battery. Unlike a single battery, you wouldn’t have to over-size your single battery to compensate for more storage or power. Additionally, the dual battery can incorporate less expensive battery chemistries into your battery system. According to modeling studies we have done, these attributes could help reduce the cost of your battery by up to 20%.

As you will see from the short video I have included with my blog, the dual battery system works. Right now, our bus has a top speed of 50 mph and about a 60-80 mile range under idealized conditions. The ultimate target is 62 mph and a real-life 100-mile range, while traveling a transit bus route with its multiple stops and starts.

One question you might be thinking is why just buses and big trucks, not cars? Well, we are currently studying the engineering and cost implications for passenger cars. But generally, larger electric vehicle applications such as transit buses and delivery trucks need more energy stored in their traction battery system to drive the required vehicle range and also higher power capability to meet the required acceleration rates. The need for a more balanced energy mix comes into play more than it would with smaller, passenger cars.

Like many EV enthusiasts, I have been excited by all of the recent activity and advancements in electric vehicle and battery technologies. For engineers like me that have been working on these technologies for many years and decades, it is really exciting to see the promise of electric transportation is finally beginning to emerge.

Next up for our team is to install this great technology on a new modern, advanced composites lightweight zero-emissions bus. The bus will have a whole new chassis. With a lightweight platform, we hope to see improved performance in both speed and range. I’ll be sure to provide an update when our next demonstration takes place. In the meantime, you can read the full press release here.

Comments

Hello Lembit – can you tell me whether there is any natural graphite used in the fabrication of the lithium battery? I work for a graphite mining company and it would be helpful to know whether your particular lithium battery uses natural graphite. Thanks very much.

Regards,

Paul K. Cooper

[...] team came up with the idea to implement this type of battery technology has been detailed in a blog post written by Lembit Salasoo, senior electrical engineer and principal investigator of the FTA Hybrid Transit Bus [...]

[...] GE’s dual battery system combines a a high-energy density sodium battery with a high-power lithium battery. Combined, the batteries offer plentiful energy storage and impressive acceleration–all while cutting the overall battery costs by 20% (two smaller batteries are cheaper than one big, powerful EV battery). Lembit Salasoo, principal investigator on the FTA Hybrid Transit Bus project, explains the project in a blog post: [...]

[...] Lembit explains in a post on the Global Research blog today, “Right now, our bus has a top speed of 50 mph and about a 60-80 mile range under idealized [...]

Dear Mr. Salasoo:
I am working on perhaps the largest lithium ore reserve in the United States, right near you in Upstate New York. You can visit http://gsldeepening.com or search Great Sacandaga Lake Deepening Project for more information and to contact me. I have been trying to reach General Electric Global Research Center about this for some time now….

Wishing you the best,
Arthur Michael Ambrosino
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[...] Salasoo, ricercatore principale sul progetto Hybrid FTA degli autobus elettrici, scrive sul blog di GE il perché di questa scelta. Oggi esistono diversi tipi di batterie, le quali sono dotate di uno [...]

I hear all this news about Electric vehicles all the day long. But what I would like the others in the world to understand the Feats are Extreme. Just a short take is Air Conditioning a unit sitting idle still needs to keep passengers/customers comfortable, or in the most common case warm from freezing along a signal light stop and go situations or just traffic.i see no one testing these items in real harsh climates.

I own the mineral rights to perhaps the largest lithium ore reserves in the United States, (~8 million metric tons), in upstate New York.

I have been trying to reach your battery division for some time now to discuss this lithium ore reserve.

Can you please advise me who to talk to about this extraordinary Lithium Ore Reserve??

[...] team came up with the idea to implement this type of battery technology has been detailed in a blog post written by Lembit Salasoo, senior electrical engineer and principal investigator of the FTA Hybrid Transit Bus [...]

Dear Mr. Salasoo,

Congratulations to you and your team for achieving this milestone in battery-powered buses! I am looking forward to the day when all the buses and large vehicles are powered by batteries alone.

In the meantime, could you spend some time investigating why diesel-electric hybrid engines are not possible today? We have just gasoline-electric hybrids but a diesel-electric hybrid could theoretically get 100 mpg and it is astounding that nobody in Europe or the U.S. has managed to develop a working diesel-electric hybrid production vehicle. I think Volkswagen attempted a Golf diesel-electric hybrid but that project fizzled out for some reason. Thank you.

i submit my id for work with your company as a electronics and telecommunication engineer

[...] Salasoo, ricercatore principale del progetto Hybrid FTA sugli autobus elettrici, scrive sul blog di GE il perché di questa scelta. Oggi esistono diversi tipi di batterie, che sono dotate di uno [...]

Respected Sir,

Congratulations for your great success in the field of electric vehicle. Your research is very useful for our environment & mankind. Moreover, in the race of finding an alternative fuel.

I am a Mechanical Engineering student(4th year) from Amity University Rajasthan(AUR), Jaipur, Rajasthan, INDIA.I am also working out on such a project from last 3 years by using dual battery system to run a vehicle. I am focused on my research and have an innovative idea which can also boost your project by charging the batteries continuously. I would like to work under your esteemed presence so that I can enhance and upgrade my knowledge in the field of Engineering and put my technical knowledge for the betterment of our environment and mankind.

My best wishes are always with you.

Regards
Abhinav Mishra

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